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What Would Bill Do?
Everyone aspires to one day be the best at what they do, but how do you get to that point? What is going on inside the brains of a true
professional poker player? Do you ever wonder "How would I play this hand if I was the BLUFF Player of the Year?"
Now you can find out!
Simply send Bill Edler, the 2007 BLUFF Magazine Player of the Year and email with your question. A few answers will be posted throughout the
week, and then the best questions will be published monthly in BLUFF Magazine.
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Andrew asks:
I saw a video of you online where you said you started playing as a prop player. Can you explain what exactly a prop player is? From
what I know you still are using your money but you are playing for the house so what’s the difference of just you playing your money vs.
a prop player?
Andrew,
There are two types of poker players who are paid to play by the cardroom or casino: a House Player and a Prop Player (also known
as a Proposition Player). A House Player plays with the cardroom’s money. He or she is not gambling his/her own money; instead the
cardroom is paying the player to play in its games and is taking the risk of wins and losses. On the other hand, a Prop Player
plays with his/her own money. The Prop Player will make money (their salary) if he/she breaks even in poker games, but can (and,
certainly, sometimes does) lose more than his/her paycheck if poker goes poorly.
Cardrooms hire players because they can offer more and/or fuller games to the public. The cardrooms make money either from an
hourly fee or, more commonly, from raking each pot played. Thus, cardrooms have the incentive to have as many games going as
possible. They use House Players or Prop Players to start and/or fill up games.
Generally, House Players or Prop Players do not select the games in which they will play. Instead, the Floorman will direct these
players to play where needed.
I played for a while as a Prop Player. It was a great experience for me. I got to play a lot of different games against differing
levels of quality of opponents. I actually was a cardroom manager for a short time. I employed a few Prop Players and they were
well worth the expense to the casino.
The best story of my tenure was that I hired a 21-year-old unknown named Erick Lindgren. He was a nice, clean-cut young man.
However, at first, I did not have any confidence in his ability to play poker. I remember worrying about him being able to just
break even as a player (so he could at least take home his pay instead of losing it to others). I even asked another Prop Player
to give him a few pointers and look out for him.
Apparently, I am not a good judge of talent!
Thanks,
Bill
Trust your gut and play to win
Lee from Toronto, Ontario asks:
In the WPC Championship, Cory Carroll made the biggest decision of the tournament with his middle pair (A-J) all-in call against
Gus Hanson’s overbet. He made what was the right (and very brave) call against Hanson’s 7-high flush draw, and eventually he got
rivered for all of his chips.
Given that he was six million behind, which was still comfortably second place, and with the huge difference in prize money for
fourth, third, and second, what would Bill have done?
Lee,
That was quite a hand, especially coming late in one of the most important tournaments of the year!
Cory and Gus are two of the tougher players in the world. Although you correctly point out that there is a huge difference
between second- and fourth-place pay, I’m sure that these two had their sights only on first place. Those players for whom either
the money is not significant (such as Cory and Gus) or who are wired to only play for first place (I fall into this category)
have a big advantage in poker tournaments.
Generally, if you feel that you are as talented as your opponents, you want to take great pains to avoid playing large pots.
Also, with a marginal and vulnerable hand, I hate to be the caller in a large pot. That said, when you are playing against an
aggressive, talented player such as Gus, who will put the pressure on with large semi-bluffs, sometimes you are forced to trust
your read and settle for playing a big pot with (if your read is correct) the best of it.
I believe that is what happened to Cory. He is a fantastic player and made a tough-as-nails call. Playing that huge pot was
likely unavoidable. He got outdrawn. The tough to swallow truth is: “that’s poker.”
Note, too, that the semi-bluff by Gus was a classic. Gus had two ways to win the pot: Cory could fold or Gus could draw out if called.
That hand shows poker at its highest level.
Thanks,
Bill
Carmen from Melrose Park, IL asks:
I have an anxiety issue. I was playing in a NL Hold’em tournament online and was doing very well.
I had made it to the final two players. I had a little over 60,000 chips and my opponent only had 11,000 or so. All of a sudden
my playing style switched and I could not control it. I started to push my pairs really hard. It was like all I could see is my
pair and no other cards on the table. The other player hit a few straights on me which caused me to lose my chip lead.
If I would have just sat back and analyzed the board I should have won, but this unexplainable power took over and caused me to
lose control. Why does this happen? How can I control it?
Carmen,
First of all, congrats on making the final two players.
In my opinion, loss of control is a very common problem for tournament players. I’d say that desire to win, coupled with the
ability to learn from one’s mistakes, can help you keep better control in future tournaments.
By the way, once you get to the heads-up portion of a tournament, there are worse things than being a maniac. Of course,
controlled, well-timed aggression is best. However, once I make it to heads-up in a tournament, I’d rather play a rock than a
maniac any day.
When heads up, realize that in most hands neither player will have much of anything. Win a majority of those pots, and you’ll be
well on your way to winning a majority of your heads-up confrontations.
Go get ‘em!
Thanks,
Bill
Professionals have their Limits
Alex from Montreal, Quebec asks:
I play on one of the big poker sites and have noticed that almost all of the pros on that site (and there are many) play some
form of Limit poker online, rather than No Limit. Is that to avoid the wild swings and knockouts that are more present in No
Limit poker?
Alex,
No, not really.
Actually, the pros that you see playing in various Limit games do so because they enjoy the variety and because they feel that
those games are more profitable for them.
Also, it should be pointed out that many young pros play No Limit Hold‘em virtually exclusively. The pros to whom you refer are
likely those who have been around poker for a decade or more. Such pros probably cut their teeth in limit games. I, for example,
rarely played No Limit for the first few years of my career in the mid-‘90s
For better or worse, most well-known pros have little aversion to “wild swings and knockouts”.
I wish you the best of luck!
Thanks,
Bill
Dinos from Salem, CT asks:
How do you go about improving, especially if you’re a beginner/intermediate player? Stepping up from weak/tight seems to be a
problem for me.
Dinos,
The best way to improve is to play. Period.
Reading, talking, and thinking about poker can help, but there is no substitute for experience. Over the years, I have played a
lot both in brick-and-mortar cardrooms and online. While I enjoy playing “live” (i.e., with other people in casinos), I suggest
that you play online if your goal is to improve.
The primary reason that playing on the net is the best way to improve is efficiency. Online, you will be able to play many, many
more hands than you could in live action. There are a few reasons for this: (1) the computer “shuffles” and deals much more
quickly than in the real world; (2) players play faster; (3) there is no commute or time spent waiting for a game; and, most
importantly, (4) you can play multiple games at once.
I play exclusively at Full Tilt Poker and, of course, recommend that site to you. Without doubt, however, you have other fine
choices of online poker sites.
Wherever you play, try to play in as many games as you can handle without losing the ability to concentrate on each decision in
each game. Start with one or two tables, and then add more as you become fully comfortable.
The bottom line is to gain experience from playing as many hands as you can.
I wish you the best of luck!
Thanks,
Bill
Developing Poker Skills and Books to Read - April 18th, 2008
Paul from Vancouver, BC asks:
How did you develop your poker skills when starting out? Did you read books? How long was it before you were a winner?
Paul,
When I learned that poker was legal in California (where I was working) in the early 1990s, I met poker legend Lee Jones, who suggested
that I read Doyle Brunson’s classic Super System and David Sklansky and Mason Malmuth’s Hold ‘em Poker for Advanced Players. I read them
cover-to-cover and dutifully headed off to a local cardroom to play the tightest 3/6 Limit Hold‘em known to man. Believe it or not, this
unimaginative, boring approach was profitable in the rip-roaring 3/6 and 6/12 games in Northern California fifteen years ago. There will
always be certain games and/or certain periods of time within a tournament in which tight play will be a winning strategy (sometimes it is
even the best available strategy). Fortunately, this is rarely true at higher levels of play. I say “fortunately,” because poker would
barely be more interesting than blackjack if tight play were actually frequently called for.
Thus, I guess you could say that I was a winning player from the beginning. However, those wins were quite modest and I didn’t really
start playing anything like I do now until I played a bit higher and against tougher players. In the late ’90s, in Casino San Pablo, I had
the experience of playing against some very talented players, including Matt Lefkowitz, Todd and Matt Keikoan, Bill Gazes, occasionally
Gavin Smith, and also a young Erick Lindgren. Erick often says that the best way to improve your game is to play against better players
and find a way to beat them. I wholeheartedly agree with E-Dog on this topic. Please note, however, that this strategy is in direct
conflict with the often-touted (by others) strategy that emphasizes game selection. Game selection is for nits and for those interested in
short-term profit maximization. Taking on better players is the best way to improve your game. You need to ask yourself if you want to be
good or great and act accordingly.
I highly recommend the two above-mentioned books (I have been quoted as saying that Doyle’s chapter on No Limit Hold ‘em changed my life)
and would add Sklansky’s Theory of Poker (the best book I have ever read on poker) and Dan Harrington’s red book on tournament poker (the
best book on tournament poker) if, like me, tourneys are your thing.
Kick some ass and let me know how your progression goes (especially if you try to be great)!
Thanks,
Bill
Poker Role Model - April 15th, 2008
Fausto from Miami, FL asks:
Most of us know that you are one of the top players right now. With this in mind, how does it feel to be looked upon as a role model to
millions of people in the poker world including WSOP champ Jerry Yang?
Fausto,
Very funny. I assume that your question is tongue-in-cheek (if yours isn’t, some similar ones are); but I chose to answer this one because
I get kidded so often about (1) whether some short-term success means that I am a top player (no, it doesn’t); and (2) what Jerry Yang
said to me when he knocked me out of the 2007 Main Event.
First of all, the more accurate number is in the tens of millions of players for whom I am their role model. Do not sell me short.
Secondly, Jerry is one of my favorite people in poker. He’s a truly kind man, one who is unafraid to say nice things about others
(even if they inadvertently cause the recipient of his compliments to be kidded mercilessly).
Finally, I want to go on record as saying that Jerry played very well in winning the Main Event. In my view, commentators and observers
(who have often been critical of his play): (1) undervalue aggression in tournament poker; and (2) often come off sounding jealous of
his incredible feat.
Way to go, Jerry!
Thanks,
Bill
Six Handed Tournament Strategy - April 12th, 2008
Paul from California asks:
In a six-handed tournament, what is the ideal approach? Lowering starting hand requirements, raising small to medium pocket pairs, and so
on. Please tell me your advice on how to succeed in a six-handed tournament as you did in last year’s WSOP.
Paul,
Six-handed poker is to nine- or ten-handed poker what my wife is to the Golden Girls. OK, bad example, since my wife’s beauty is on the
inside. Still…
I wish that six-handed tournament poker were the future of the sport. The shorter it gets in poker, the more interesting it is. Also,
generally, more skill is required as the game gets shorter. I love that Matt Savage, the great Tournament Director, has set up the Main
Event at the Shooting Star in San Jose to play 6-handed when 36 or fewer players remain. I’d love to see more tournaments with a similar
structure.
As for the ideal approach to six-handed play, the answer is quite complicated. In general, the shorter the game, the greater the variety
of poker skills you need to employ. As compared to a nine-handed game, you will need to mix up your play more, play more hands pre-flop,
and play more aggressively. Note that it is much less likely that your opponents have premium starting cards in short-handed situations.
Thus, “trouble hands” (e.g., A-Q, A-J, A-10, K-Q, K-J) go way up in value because they are less likely to make a costly second-best hand.
Since flops are rarely seen by more than three players, implied odds for suited connectors and small pairs go way down.
If you want to win, you will need to trust your reads and be willing to go with weaker hands than you may be accustomed to gambling with.
Be aggressive and play the player even more than in a full-table situation.
Thanks,
Bill
Showing Cards - April 9th, 2008
Calvin from Phoenix, AZ asks:
I was playing in a small free tournament. I had K-Q suited and was up against one other player. I raised. My opponent turned his cards
over, showing pocket queens and then announced "all in." All of this happened pre-flop.
Is this a legitimate move? If not, what would be the penalty in a regular tournament?
Calvin,
It is not a legitimate move in tournament poker to show your cards in order to stifle action. The principal reason for this is that all
other players generally benefit from action between their competitors.
The TDA rule (which may or may not be in effect in your tournament) is that the hand would be played out and the player who showed his
cards would be given a penalty in which he would have to sit out two rounds immediately thereafter. Jack McClelland (of the Bellagio)
would penalize the player a specific amount of time (perhaps 15 minutes) after the play of the hand in question.
Thanks,
Bill
Online Bad Beats - April 6th, 2008
Rob from Pensylvania asks:
Why does it seem, from playing live and online, that in online play you always run into bad beat city? It just seems that it always hits
the fan, but in live games hardly appears. Is there something to this or is the wind just blowing against me?
Rob,
I do not feel that this is just your imagination. My observation is that, in a live setting, players play more conservatively. This is a
generalization, of course, but - to the extent it’s true - it implies that a player is likely to bluff less frequently and make fewer
marginal calls in live play than on the net. Thus, on the net, you see the flip side of this equation: Players are making more marginal
calls against you online and, thus, are drawing out on you more.
Of course, the good news is that, when your hands hold up, you will make more money. If the calls are in fact bad ones, you’ll make more
money in the long run. Although it’s not always easy, try to let this be your solace when a calling station gets lucky on you either
on-line or in live play.
Thanks,
Bill
Defending Blinds Late - April 3rd, 2008
Jeff from Columbus, OH asks:
Defending your blinds late in a NL Hold’m tournament is crucial to stack maintenance. What types of hands would you defend with late in
the tournament against aggressive players with deep stacks?
Jeff,
The answer to that depends heavily on my stack size.
If I am deep, I will defend with a large variety of hands (perhaps the top 40% of holdings). We will both have to (i.e., we both get to!)
play post-flop poker.
If I am short, I will rarely call. Thus, the choice is generally between folding and shoving. In making that decision, I note the following factors: The raiser’s range is quite wide (you said that the raiser is aggressive); I likely have little or no fold equity (you specified that the raiser is aggressive and I stipulated that I am short); if I’m in the small blind, the big blind should not be ignored. Given this, I’ll shove with hands that figure to play profitably (given the overlay of the money already in the pot, including antes) all in versus the wide range of the raiser.
If I have a medium-sized stack, my decisions are the toughest (and most interesting). Note that calling is now certainly an option. Also, reraises now have fold equity. As with the previous topic, pages could be written on this situation. In this forum, I’d like to emphasize that critical to your decision should be the raiser’s quality of play. Important advice in many contexts in poker: See more flops against weaker players!
Thanks,
Bill
Playing Suited Connectors Pre-Flop - April 1st, 2008
Mark from Pomona, CA asks:
Congratulations on being 2007 Player of the Year. My question for you is regarding suited connectors, particularly, jack-10 suited, 10-9 suited, 8-7 suited… etc. How do you play these hands pre-flop? Do you base your decision on how you play them just by your position or do you play them a certain way regardless of your position?
Mark,
As you’ve probably heard many times, it is important to mix up your play. If you are a tight player, just playing these hands at all can be a way to mix up your play. If you area player who plays more hands pre-flop, it is important to occasionally play the same hand in different ways in order to avoid being read by your opponents.
That said, I’ll try to explain how I generally like to play suited connectors.
First, let’s talk about the strengths and weaknesses of these hands. The beauty of suited connectors is that they play well in multi-way pots, often flop situations in which they carry large implied odds, and even more often flop semi-bluffing opportunities. Semi-bluffing is the heart and soul of No Limit Hold’em; if you are the type who likes to wait for made hands and thinks that the object of poker is to extract the most value from these (sadly infrequently held) hands, then I wish you the best (but advise you not to read my poker columns, since I will rarely write about this topic).
The problem with suited connectors is that they contain small- or medium-rank cards. You will most often either flop nothing or flop second or third pair and will have to make tough decisions.
What does all of this imply? In deep-stack situations, it probably means that you normally want to see flops cheaply with these hands. Occasionally, you should raise pre-flop, though. When you do, continuation bets are almost automatic since your opponents will likely be putting you on big cards. Thus, either you have flopped a hidden gem and don’t mind action from suspicious opponents, or you will have missed the flop and (wanting to take down the pot) will have an easy laydown if your opponent plays back against you.
An additional benefit of playing these hands with position is that you often flop nothing, bet, get called, and then turn some kind of draw. The caller will often check to you on the turn and you’ll have the nice option of taking a free card (most likely) or of firing a second bullet. The second bullet is likely to be correct against some players (perhaps perfect against the stereotypical older player, who likes to check-call way too much but may give up to a second bullet - also note the huge implied odds you’ll get if you make the hidden hand and the guy is committed to calling a big bet on the river).
These are, of course, just some high-level thoughts on the subject raised by your question. An entire book could be written on how to play suited connectors. If Daniel Negreanu ever writes that book, I’d suggest that we all buy it.
Thanks,
Bill
Having Professional Poker Players as Friends - March 28th, 2008
Isidro from Bakersfield asks:
Can you tell us how important it is to have friends like Erick and Gavin you can discuss hands with? Also, the info you guys share must improve the games of all three of you, otherwise how is it that all three of you are so good? How has your influence on Erick and Gavin helped not only in poker but in family life? The reason I ask is because I think Erick and Gavin look up to you as a fatherly figure.
Isidro,
Erick Lindgren and Gavin Smith are, indeed, two of my closer friends. They both have very logical minds are quite articulate when discussing poker (yes, Gavin really is!).
Sadly, I have not talked much poker with Erick over the years. He and I share a love for college football betting which dominates our discussions.
Gav and I do talk poker a bit. However, we have radically different playing styles. Thus, it can be a bit difficult for either of us to translate the other’s thoughts into the context in which we play.
Regarding the second half of your question, I can say without hesitation that my life is much happier and richer for having them in it. However, as for my alleged influence on these two, I refuse to take responsibility for Erick’s P%&!#-underachieving or Gavin’s unique nightly rituals.
Thanks,
Bill
Maintaining Hobbies Outside of Poker - March 25th, 2008
Tim from Newfoundland asks:
A lot of the successful local players, as well as many pros who become and stay successful seem to have a certain joie de vivre outside of the poker world, be it another hobby or just making sure they have something else they really enjoy doing off the felt and outside the rail-filled world of the poker room. Do you find it helps with focus and/or other major parts of successful poker to have these distractions? And how much time spent playing poker is really necessary to become and stay successful?
Tim,
Those who know me know that nobody loves life more than I. I have been blessed with the most wonderful friends and family and I love what I do. And yes, all of my close friends in the poker world do show a certain joie de vivre. The question is, of course, whether there is a causal relationship and, if so, what caused what. Does a love of life help a player become successful? Or does success help a player love his life?
I’ll bet you’ll be surprised when I tell you my best guess is that the two are nearly independent. I can think of too many miserable poker players who have had success to believe differently.
Personally, I feel that having a balance in life does help my own poker a great deal. However, there are a lot of successful sickos who do very little other than play poker. Thus, I don’t feel that balance is necessary for poker success; but it sure helps in living a happy life.
As for how much poker needs to be played to become and stay successful, I’d have to say the more the better. No matter how gifted you are, experience yields better decisions. Since the advent of internet poker, there’s no excuse for not playing tons of hands.
By the way, I never met a Newfy I didn’t like!
Thanks,
Bill
Online Poker: Play-For-Free Play Quality - March 23rd, 2008
John from Florida asks:
I have a question. It may be silly, but I haven't seen much in the line of information. I play free on Full Tilt and PokerStars. I want to start playing for real money, but I'm somewhat concerned with the players on the free games. It seems that there are lots of river rats and floaters there because it costs no real money to play and recharge an account. In real play are the players more realistic on their hand quality and so do they take fewer chances?
John,
Thanks for sending me my first question!
My understanding of the low limit games on FTP and ‘Stars is that they are played very much as you describe the free games. I’m sure that players are a bit more careful with real money; but I am just as certain that loose play is still very much the norm.
You’ll be able to beat these games by playing solidly, even if unimaginatively. Remember that hand selection is critical to beating low limit games. Play hands that either win a lot or lose a little in multi-way pots (you’ll note that virtually every hand is played multi-way). Suited cards and pairs are what you’re looking for. Avoid the trouble hands (e.g., non-suited big cards other than A-K) because they too often make expensive second-best hands in multi-way pots.
Best of luck. Please let me know how it goes.
Thanks,
Bill
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